[Tb] Re: "a plain old sales pitch?"

From: Stephen Chakwin <schakwin__AT__sbcglobal.net>
Date: Thu Jan 01 2004 - 19:36:27 EST

Sounds an awful lot like an offensive brush-off. I wrote what I did to this
forum to get help from anyone willing and able to offer it on how to adapt
our complex and powerful application (TB) to a very useful way of organizing
one's life (the DA Getting Things Done system).

Leaving aside the absence of indicators of plain old sales pitch such as I
get something out of people doing what I suggest, more is at stake than the
price of an $11 paperback on Amazon, you somehow become subject to my will
by either helping me figure out how to plot the system of projects and
to-dos against the TB grid of higher and lower headlines or notes (to the
benefit of anyone interested in organizing his or her life more
effectively), all of which point in the opposite direction from what you
wrote, what makes you think I'm selling or pitching anything?

If there is some such indication, will you please tell me what it is (on or
off forum) that I'm pitching and how it is that I'm pitching it so that I
can figure out how to earn some money from it?

Stephen

> From: "Michael P. Wilson" <mpwilson1969__AT__optonline.net>
> Subject: Re: [Tb] David Allen Getting Things Done
> Sounds an awful lot like a plain old sales pitch.
> -
> "When you are not practicing, remember, someone somewhere is
> practicing, and when you meet him he will win." - Ed Macauley
>
> http://www.mpwilson.com/uccu/
>
> On Dec 30, 2003, at 9:30 PM, Stephen Chakwin wrote:
>
>> One of the interesting things in the TB wiki was the outline of using
>> TB as
>> a tool to implement a David Allen "Getting Things Done" way of
>> organizing
>> your life.
>>
>> David's system is simple, elegant, and powerful. I recommend his book
>> to
>> anyone who hasn't read it. TB seems to have the power to make this
>> kind of
>> organization happen, but the user who tried to put them together was
>> more
>> technically sophisticated and less articulate in English than was
>> ideal for
>> me. His implementation is found on a link in the wiki or you can go
>> to the
>> web and see it directly:
>> http://www.fridgedoor.net/prototyping/protophot/19html and the links
>> from
>> there.
>>
>> For those of you who aren't familiar with the David Allen system, let
>> me sum
>> it up for you in a few words -- this isn't a substitute for David's
>> book or
>> his workshop -- you can get details on these at www.davidco.com .
>>
>> David's aims are to reduce mental and physical clutter and therefore
>> emotional stress in our lives.
>>
>> His main tools in this project are conceptual/physical. He believes
>> (correctly in my view) that a major energy sink in our lives is
>> worrying
>> about things we have undertaken to do but have no way of tracking. The
>> result is that we spend a great deal of time not doing things we have
>> committed to doing, not being sure of what our commitments are, and
>> worrying
>> that we are doing the wrong things.
>>
>> His solution is simple, elegant, and powerful. You must create a list
>> that
>> is accurate, reliable, and easy to access at all times of everything
>> you
>> have committed or been committed to do. This list is divided into two
>> major
>> categories: Projects (which consist of everything that takes more than
>> one
>> step to accomplish). These live on a list of their own which must be
>> reviewed at least once a week. Tasks or To-Dos (actions), which
>> consist of
>> single-step things to do and are derived from the project list. The
>> process
>> is that you look at your projects and ask what the next step or action
>> is to
>> move the project to completion. The tasks are organized, not by
>> priority
>> (since this can change depending on a lot of variables) but by
>> context. All
>> tasks requiring a telephone are grouped, as are those requiring a
>> computer,
>> etc. the result is that if you have a few minutes and a telephone,
>> you can
>> work through a mini list of things to do, ditto a computer, some quiet
>> time
>> in the office, a chance to go to a local hardware store, etc.
>>
>> He also has great ideas on how to file and how to classify things that
>> you
>> file into sensible categories that will leave you with a clean
>> workspace and
>> automatic reminders of things that need to be responded to on or by
>> specific
>> dates. We don't need to go into those here and now.
>>
>> The TB wiki contributor passed along his iteration of the DA system
>> with
>> projects and actions and some use of agents and color coding and who
>> knows
>> what else to make it all work. It seems to me that his system is
>> complex,
>> unlike the DA system which is the opposite of complex, or that he
>> doesn't
>> have the verbal skills to explain what he did in simple language.
>>
>> And yet, it also seems to me that TB ought to be able to support a
>> system
>> like David's and might be able to do it well and simply.
>>
>> So here's my question: can anyone take a look at the link I've
>> included and
>> see if it makes sense in terms of the system I've explained and, if
>> so, pass
>> an explanation along?
>>
>> TB seems to me to be an incredibly powerful tool that's hard to learn
>> to use
>> but capable of doing amazing things if only you can get it under
>> control.
>> This forum is a potentially great resource in bringing this
>> application to
>> the point at which it can be controlled and used to accomplish things
>> that
>> no other software can.
>>
>> Stephen
Received on Thu Jan 1 19:36:27 2004

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