Subject: Re: STOP THE MADNESS
From:
rodfarlee@aol.com (Rod Farlee)
Newsgroups: rec.ponds
Date: Mon, Jul 16, 2001
3:56 PM
Message-ID:
<20010716155643.01949.00000639@nso-fu.aol.com>

APV206@webtv.net (APV206)
writes:
...Lime
over time will cause some damage internally, Fishes do take
in water,I
don't think i would want to drink lime.

Uh-huh... I guess you'd
know better than all the experts:

Florida Agricultural Extension Fact Sheet
"Liming Fish Ponds"
http://edis.ifas.ufl.edu/FA028
"Liming is a common
practice in the southeastern United States.  
Increases the availability of
nutrients.  Increases pH and buffers 
against daily pH
fluctuations."

Clemson Extension "Liming Recreational Fish
Ponds"
http://hgic.clemson.edu/factsheets/HGIC1711.htm
"Liming fish ponds
also improves several important water quality 
parameters. Liming increases
the pH of the water column and also 
buffers pH fluctuations by improving
water hardness and alkalinity."

Alabama Extension "Liming
Fishponds"
http://www.aces.edu/department/extcomm/publications/anr/ANR-232/anr-232.html
"Lime
acts as a buffer maintaining the pH between 7 and 8.5. Broader 
swings in pH
can be very stressful to the organisms in the pond."

Texas Extension "Liming
Fish Farm Ponds in East
Texas"
http://agpublications.tamu.edu/pubs/efish/0906a.pdf
"Liming ponds
prevents stress or death of fish from low pH...
Agricultural limestone is best
for fish ponds."

"Management Calendar for Kentucky Fish
Ponds"
http://aquanic.org/publicat/state/ky/calendar.htm
"Add agricultural
limestone* if total alkalinity of the pond's water is less 
than 20 mg/l and
the pond has less than 13 water exchanges per year."

"Liming Aquaculture and
Farm Ponds in
Maryland"
http://www.mdsg.umd.edu/Extension/finfish/FF7.html
"The addition of
lime helps guard against daily pH (acid level) fluctuations 
that are common
in ponds with dense populations of aquatic plants...
Finely ground
agricultural lime-stone is normally the best material for 
treating fish
ponds"

Missouri Extension "Improving Alkalinity" in Fish
Ponds
http://www.msucares.com/pubs/is1334.htm
"The most common method of
increasing alkalinity in waters is by adding 
agricultural limestone (calcium
carbonate). Fish managers in Europe and 
Asia have reported that applictions
of lime to fish ponds on soils of low 
calcium content resulted in greater
fish production. Fish managers in 
the United States showed that applications
of lime to lakes increased 
pH and total alkalinity and also cleared water of
brown stain from humic 
substances."

"Liming Your Pond / Souteastern Pond
Management"
http://www.sepond.com/liming.htm
"The application of agricultural
lime is required in most recreational fish 
ponds in the southeast"

And
there's dozens more publications and books that recommend this 
standard
practice of adding lime to fish ponds.  Without lime, there wouldn't
be an
aquaculture industry in eastern/southeastern US.  The natural
alkalinity and
hardness are too low for recirculating pond aquaculture...
and that includes
highly stocked backyard ponds, too.
Live and LEARN?  Hope so!
-
Rod

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Subject:
Re: Did you kill them yet
From: rodfarlee@aol.com (Rod Farlee)
Newsgroups:
rec.ponds
Date: Mon, Jul 16, 2001 3:56 PM
Message-ID:
20010716155645.01949.00000641@nso-fu.aol.com

"John"
<John290@optonline.net> writes:
Stop dumping junk in that pond before
you kill everything water cycles,Ph
changes,all day everyday.when the Ph
changes other things change.
Acid rain give me a break.was there a special
cloud over your house.your PH
is within the limits,relax have a beer or
something

Ignorance is NOT bliss, if the alkalinity is too low.

I suggest
collecting rain water and putting some cull fish in it.
In a couple weeks,
your ignorance will have killed them.

What makes intensive freshwater
aquaculture possible in most of the 
southeast US and east coast is ag lime
(crushed or powdered limestone), 
or baking soda and gypsum, by the truckload.
And salt.
See "Use of Lime in Fish
Ponds"
http://edis.ifas.ufl.edu/FA028
"Limestone and Total Alkalinity in Fish
Ponds"
http://msucares.com/pubs/is1334.htm
"pH, CO2, Alkalinity and Hardness
in Fish
Ponds"
http://ag.ansc.purdue.edu/aquanic/publicat/usda_rac/efs/srac/464fs.pdf
-
Rod