Subject: Re: Yellow water hyacinths and green
water
From: rodfarlee@aol.com (Rod Farlee)
Newsgroups: rec.ponds
Date: Sat,
Jun 23, 2001 10:03 PM
Message-ID:
<20010623220325.15539.00000350@nso-cj.aol.com>

Hal writes:
I added 3
ounces of muriatic to the 1500 gallon pond and the next day
found a new test
kit, the dropper kind.  My tests read ammonia and
nitrites 0 and 53.7  ppm
for both KH and GH and the pH reads 8.2.  
Are those good numbers for KH and
GH, or what should they be?  

The USDA publication you
mentioned
http://ag.ansc.purdue.edu/aquanic/publicat/usda_rac/efs/srac/464fs.pdf
recommends
KH 75 to 200 ppm, GH 100 to 250 ppm.

KH 3 degrees (53.7 ppm) is probably too
low to keep the pH stable.
I find that 80 to 90 ppm is necessary in my
pond.

I wouldn't add any more acid!  In fact, I'd do the opposite.  I'd
increase 
KH by 2 degrees by adding 1 pound baking soda to 1500 gallons.
This
won't change your pH 8.2, but will stabilize it there.

GH 3 degrees is also
softer than recommended.  It's not essential to
increase it, but if you wish
to do so, add about 1 pound of gypsum 
(calcium sulfate).  (Limestone won't
dissolve at this pH, but gypsum will.)  
For small ponds, a convenient source
of gypsum is plaster of Paris; just 
pour it into a plastic container, let it
cure, pop it out and place it into 
your filter or stream.  It'll take about a
month to dissolve, and will slowly 
raise GH as it does.

How do you
convert mg/L to ppm?

1 mg/l =~ 1 mg/kg == 1 ppm (within a fraction of a
percent accuracy).

1 degree == 10 mg/l CaO = 17.8 mg/l CaCO3.
-
Rod

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Subject:
Re: Is PH Down, PH Down?
From: rodfarlee@aol.com (Rod Farlee)
Newsgroups:
rec.ponds
Date: Sat, Jun 23, 2001 10:03 PM
Message-ID:
20010623220332.15539.00000355@nso-cj.aol.com

"Mark Baughman"
<baughman@neo.rr.com> writes:
I've been reading a few of the posts
about PH down. What can be used to
lower it. What I was wondering is if the
PH down used for a Pool or Spa
could be used in a pond. I supposed that there
is a possibility that the
pool PH down is more concentrated, but that would
mean I just need to use it
carefully. Mine seems a little high...

If your
pH isn't above 9, it doesn't need to be lowered.

For a good general
introduction, suggest the 4-page USDA publication
"Interactions of pH, Carbon
Dioxide, Alkalinity and Hardness in Fish
Ponds"
http://ag.ansc.purdue.edu/aquanic/publicat/usda_rac/efs/srac/464fs.pdf

If
your pH is above 9, then yes, either swimming pool "pH Down"
(sodium
bisulfate, dry powder) or muriatic acid can be used.  (Muriatic acid
is
preferable, as it's chloride is beneficial to fish.  Two ounces per 1000

gallons lowers KH by 1 degree.)  

Note that any acid directly lowers KH
(also called alkalinity, pH buffering 
capacity, or acid neutralizing
capacity), and only indirectly lowers pH.  
If KH is lowered too far, pH will
become unstable.  Generally, there's no 
need or benefit to lowering KH below
150 ppm (9 degrees), or pH below 
8.  Lowering KH below 100 ppm (6 degrees)
can leave the pH unstable 
in a pond that receives direct sunlight and has
algae or plants.

So it can be dangerous to add acid to a pond, without
monitoring KH.
KH test kits are available, similar to pH tests.
-
Rod