[Tb] Re: DA Getting Things Done

 Stephen,

I wish I could be of some help. Unfortunately, I'm still at the knuckle scraping stage of learning Tbox.

There's nothing I'd like more than a detailed response to your question. However, I'm very much aware that it is expecting a lot from someone with the necessary know-how.

Best wishes,

Jim Eden

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>Date: Thu, 01 Jan 2004 21:35:34 -0500
>From: Stephen Chakwin <schakwin__AT__sbcglobal.net>
>Subject: [Tb] Re: "a plain old sales pitch?"
>To: <Tb__AT__lee-phillips.org>
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>Sounds an awful lot like an offensive brush-off. I wrote what I did to this
>forum to get help from anyone willing and able to offer it on how to adapt
>our complex and powerful application (TB) to a very useful way of organizing
>one's life (the DA Getting Things Done system).
>
>Leaving aside the absence of indicators of plain old sales pitch such as I
>get something out of people doing what I suggest, more is at stake than the
>price of an $11 paperback on Amazon, you somehow become subject to my will
>by either helping me figure out how to plot the system of projects and
>to-dos against the TB grid of higher and lower headlines or notes (to the
>benefit of anyone interested in organizing his or her life more
>effectively), all of which point in the opposite direction from what you
>wrote, what makes you think I'm selling or pitching anything?
>
>If there is some such indication, will you please tell me what it is (on or
>off forum) that I'm pitching and how it is that I'm pitching it so that I
>can figure out how to earn some money from it?
>
>Stephen
>
>> From: "Michael P. Wilson" <mpwilson1969__AT__optonline.net>
>> Subject: Re: [Tb] David Allen Getting Things Done
>> Sounds an awful lot like a plain old sales pitch.
>> -
>> "When you are not practicing, remember, someone somewhere is
>> practicing, and when you meet him he will win." - Ed Macauley
>>
>> http://www.mpwilson.com/uccu/
>>
>> On Dec 30, 2003, at 9:30 PM, Stephen Chakwin wrote:
>>
>>> One of the interesting things in the TB wiki was the outline of using
>>> TB as
>>> a tool to implement a David Allen "Getting Things Done" way of
>>> organizing
>>> your life.
>>>
>>> David's system is simple, elegant, and powerful. I recommend his book
>>> to
>>> anyone who hasn't read it. TB seems to have the power to make this
>>> kind of
>>> organization happen, but the user who tried to put them together was
>>> more
>>> technically sophisticated and less articulate in English than was
>>> ideal for
>>> me. His implementation is found on a link in the wiki or you can go
>>> to the
>>> web and see it directly:
>>> http://www.fridgedoor.net/prototyping/protophot/19html and the links
>>> from
>>> there.
>>>
>>> For those of you who aren't familiar with the David Allen system, let
>>> me sum
>>> it up for you in a few words -- this isn't a substitute for David's
>>> book or
>>> his workshop -- you can get details on these at www.davidco.com .
>>>
>>> David's aims are to reduce mental and physical clutter and therefore
>>> emotional stress in our lives.
>>>
>>> His main tools in this project are conceptual/physical. He believes
>>> (correctly in my view) that a major energy sink in our lives is
>>> worrying
>>> about things we have undertaken to do but have no way of tracking. The
>>> result is that we spend a great deal of time not doing things we have
>>> committed to doing, not being sure of what our commitments are, and
>>> worrying
>>> that we are doing the wrong things.
>>>
>>> His solution is simple, elegant, and powerful. You must create a list
>>> that
>>> is accurate, reliable, and easy to access at all times of everything
>>> you
>>> have committed or been committed to do. This list is divided into two
>>> major
>>> categories: Projects (which consist of everything that takes more than
>>> one
>>> step to accomplish). These live on a list of their own which must be
>>> reviewed at least once a week. Tasks or To-Dos (actions), which
>>> consist of
>>> single-step things to do and are derived from the project list. The
>>> process
>>> is that you look at your projects and ask what the next step or action
>>> is to
>>> move the project to completion. The tasks are organized, not by
>>> priority
>>> (since this can change depending on a lot of variables) but by
>>> context. All
>>> tasks requiring a telephone are grouped, as are those requiring a
>>> computer,
>>> etc. the result is that if you have a few minutes and a telephone,
>>> you can
>>> work through a mini list of things to do, ditto a computer, some quiet
>>> time
>>> in the office, a chance to go to a local hardware store, etc.
>>>
>>> He also has great ideas on how to file and how to classify things that
>>> you
>>> file into sensible categories that will leave you with a clean
>>> workspace and
>>> automatic reminders of things that need to be responded to on or by
>>> specific
>>> dates. We don't need to go into those here and now.
>>>
>>> The TB wiki contributor passed along his iteration of the DA system
>>> with
>>> projects and actions and some use of agents and color coding and who
>>> knows
>>> what else to make it all work. It seems to me that his system is
>>> complex,
>>> unlike the DA system which is the opposite of complex, or that he
>>> doesn't
>>> have the verbal skills to explain what he did in simple language.
>>>
>>> And yet, it also seems to me that TB ought to be able to support a
>>> system
>>> like David's and might be able to do it well and simply.
>>>
>>> So here's my question: can anyone take a look at the link I've
>>> included and
>>> see if it makes sense in terms of the system I've explained and, if
>>> so, pass
>>> an explanation along?
>>>
>>> TB seems to me to be an incredibly powerful tool that's hard to learn
>>> to use
>>> but capable of doing amazing things if only you can get it under
>>> control.
>>> This forum is a potentially great resource in bringing this
>>> application to
>>> the point at which it can be controlled and used to accomplish things
>>> that
>>> no other software can.
>>>
>>> Stephen
>
>
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>Message: 2
>Date: Thu, 1 Jan 2004 22:59:11 -0600
>From: Stefan Keydel <keydel__AT__mac.com>
>Subject: Re: [Tb] Re: "a plain old sales pitch?"
>To: Tinderbox on Macintosh <Tb__AT__lee-phillips.org>
>Message-ID: <674D6443-3CE0-11D8-B337-000A956E456E__AT__mac.com>
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>Hey Stephen,
>
>I was as nonplussed by Michael's response as you seem to have been. For
>my part, I was grateful for (and not a little bit impressed by!) your
>very concise summation of Allen's method. I purchased the book a while
>ago and have been slowly implementing the method, and I have to say
>that, not only did you add to my understanding of the book, but you may
>have explained the fundamental philosophy even better than Allen
>himself!
>
>So, thanks again! I'll be looking forward to hear of any progress you
>have made in leveraging Tinderbox in this regard.
>
>
>Stefan
>On Jan 1, 2004, at 8:35 PM, Stephen Chakwin wrote:
>
>> Sounds an awful lot like an offensive brush-off. I wrote what I did
>> to this
>> forum to get help from anyone willing and able to offer it on how to
>> adapt
>> our complex and powerful application (TB) to a very useful way of
>> organizing
>> one's life (the DA Getting Things Done system).
>>
>> Leaving aside the absence of indicators of plain old sales pitch such
>> as I
>> get something out of people doing what I suggest, more is at stake
>> than the
>> price of an $11 paperback on Amazon, you somehow become subject to my
>> will
>> by either helping me figure out how to plot the system of projects and
>> to-dos against the TB grid of higher and lower headlines or notes (to
>> the
>> benefit of anyone interested in organizing his or her life more
>> effectively), all of which point in the opposite direction from what
>> you
>> wrote, what makes you think I'm selling or pitching anything?
>>
>> If there is some such indication, will you please tell me what it is
>> (on or
>> off forum) that I'm pitching and how it is that I'm pitching it so
>> that I
>> can figure out how to earn some money from it?
>>
>> Stephen
>>
>>> From: "Michael P. Wilson" <mpwilson1969__AT__optonline.net>
>>> Subject: Re: [Tb] David Allen Getting Things Done
>>> Sounds an awful lot like a plain old sales pitch.
>>> -
>>> "When you are not practicing, remember, someone somewhere is
>>> practicing, and when you meet him he will win." - Ed Macauley
>>>
>>> http://www.mpwilson.com/uccu/
>>>
>>> On Dec 30, 2003, at 9:30 PM, Stephen Chakwin wrote:
>>>
>>>> One of the interesting things in the TB wiki was the outline of using
>>>> TB as
>>>> a tool to implement a David Allen "Getting Things Done" way of
>>>> organizing
>>>> your life.
>>>>
>>>> David's system is simple, elegant, and powerful. I recommend his
>>>> book
>>>> to
>>>> anyone who hasn't read it. TB seems to have the power to make this
>>>> kind of
>>>> organization happen, but the user who tried to put them together was
>>>> more
>>>> technically sophisticated and less articulate in English than was
>>>> ideal for
>>>> me. His implementation is found on a link in the wiki or you can go
>>>> to the
>>>> web and see it directly:
>>>> http://www.fridgedoor.net/prototyping/protophot/19html and the links
>>>> from
>>>> there.
>>>>
>>>> For those of you who aren't familiar with the David Allen system, let
>>>> me sum
>>>> it up for you in a few words -- this isn't a substitute for David's
>>>> book or
>>>> his workshop -- you can get details on these at www.davidco.com .
>>>>
>>>> David's aims are to reduce mental and physical clutter and therefore
>>>> emotional stress in our lives.
>>>>
>>>> His main tools in this project are conceptual/physical. He believes
>>>> (correctly in my view) that a major energy sink in our lives is
>>>> worrying
>>>> about things we have undertaken to do but have no way of tracking.
>>>> The
>>>> result is that we spend a great deal of time not doing things we have
>>>> committed to doing, not being sure of what our commitments are, and
>>>> worrying
>>>> that we are doing the wrong things.
>>>>
>>>> His solution is simple, elegant, and powerful. You must create a
>>>> list
>>>> that
>>>> is accurate, reliable, and easy to access at all times of everything
>>>> you
>>>> have committed or been committed to do. This list is divided into
>>>> two
>>>> major
>>>> categories: Projects (which consist of everything that takes more
>>>> than
>>>> one
>>>> step to accomplish). These live on a list of their own which must be
>>>> reviewed at least once a week. Tasks or To-Dos (actions), which
>>>> consist of
>>>> single-step things to do and are derived from the project list. The
>>>> process
>>>> is that you look at your projects and ask what the next step or
>>>> action
>>>> is to
>>>> move the project to completion. The tasks are organized, not by
>>>> priority
>>>> (since this can change depending on a lot of variables) but by
>>>> context. All
>>>> tasks requiring a telephone are grouped, as are those requiring a
>>>> computer,
>>>> etc. the result is that if you have a few minutes and a telephone,
>>>> you can
>>>> work through a mini list of things to do, ditto a computer, some
>>>> quiet
>>>> time
>>>> in the office, a chance to go to a local hardware store, etc.
>>>>
>>>> He also has great ideas on how to file and how to classify things
>>>> that
>>>> you
>>>> file into sensible categories that will leave you with a clean
>>>> workspace and
>>>> automatic reminders of things that need to be responded to on or by
>>>> specific
>>>> dates. We don't need to go into those here and now.
>>>>
>>>> The TB wiki contributor passed along his iteration of the DA system
>>>> with
>>>> projects and actions and some use of agents and color coding and who
>>>> knows
>>>> what else to make it all work. It seems to me that his system is
>>>> complex,
>>>> unlike the DA system which is the opposite of complex, or that he
>>>> doesn't
>>>> have the verbal skills to explain what he did in simple language.
>>>>
>>>> And yet, it also seems to me that TB ought to be able to support a
>>>> system
>>>> like David's and might be able to do it well and simply.
>>>>
>>>> So here's my question: can anyone take a look at the link I've
>>>> included and
>>>> see if it makes sense in terms of the system I've explained and, if
>>>> so, pass
>>>> an explanation along?
>>>>
>>>> TB seems to me to be an incredibly powerful tool that's hard to learn
>>>> to use
>>>> but capable of doing amazing things if only you can get it under
>>>> control.
>>>> This forum is a potentially great resource in bringing this
>>>> application to
>>>> the point at which it can be controlled and used to accomplish things
>>>> that
>>>> no other software can.
>>>>
>>>> Stephen
>>
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